in congress. and yet could either one of them make a deal state within the caucuses? and you know, even if mcconnell and harry reid tried to put something together, they both have some pretty exotic people on their site. and so, no, you're absolutely, you're absolutely right. and then tossing one more factor. you know, you've got all the dysfunction on capitol hill and then have a president who basically has no relationship whatsoever with congress on either side. u.s. virtually no interaction with members of congress. wow. >> let me, mark, let me just add, first of all, i don't agree with anything charlie just said. now, i agree with everything charlie just said. the key may be whether the president shows decisive leadership. now, i don't know what you all think they're i don't know what charlie thinks. i don't think that decisive leadership necessary is what is shown a lot of the time in the first term. it's not that he didn't show any leadership. he staked out general positions, suggestions, ideas, philosophies, the health care reform. but he didn't get his hands really dirty. remember the public